Den Libanon-fødte Brigitte Gabrielle er en av verdens mest fremtredende eksperter på den islamske trusselen mot Vesten. I et dette foredraget fra 2006 i Denver, som er minst like aktuelt i dag, gjennomgår hun hele problemstillingen rundt den islamistiske trusselen mot ikke-muslimer, og hvordan den kan bekjempes.
«Den islamske trusselen mot ikke-muslimer»
Hahaha. Hvorfor skriver du aldri om den islamske trusselen mot vanlige muslimer som ikke er «islamiserte»?
Selvmords angrep, æresdrap, vold, trussler, tvangekteskap, tvunget hijab osv er bare få eksempler der islamistene truer og skader andre muslimer hvis de «bryter» eller «ikke-følger» islamistenes «versjon» av islamsk moral. Det er latterlg hvordan kontrajihadistene bare fokuserer på islamistenes trussel mot ikke-muslimer og samtidig glemmer daglige overgrep de holder på med sine egne muslimsk brødre? De fleste islamske terrorangrep skjer ikke mot ikke-muslimer men mot andre muslimer:
«According to a report compiled by the Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism, 224 of 300 suicide terror attacks from 1980 to 2003 involved Islamist groups or took place in Muslim-majority lands.[60] Another tabulation found a 4.5 fold increase in suicide bombings in the two years following Papes study and that the majority of these bombers were motivated by the ideology of Islamist martyrdom.[61] According to another estimate, as of early 2008, 1,121 Muslim suicide bombers have blown themselves up in Iraq.[62] Recent research on the rationale of suicide bombing has identified both religious and sociopolitical motivations.[63][64][65][66][67]
Recent polling by the Pew Research Center has shown decreases in Muslim support for suicide attacks. In 2011 surveys, less than 15% of Pakistanis, Jordanians, Turks, and Indonesians thought that suicide bombings were sometimes/oftentimes justified. Approximately 28% of Egyptians and 35% of Lebanese felt that suicide bombings were sometimes/oftentimes justified. However, 68% of Palestinians reported that suicide attacks were sometimes/oftentimes justified.[77]»
en.wikipedia.org/w…on_and_justification
Altså det er stor forskjell mellom muslimske land når det gjelder hvorvidt selvmordsangrep er «rettferdige». Mens arabere ønsker fortsatt mer av slike terrorangrep, har muslimer utenfor araberverden mistet tilliten til selvmordsangrep for lenge siden. Så det tyder på at arabisk kultur er rett og slett for jævlig politisert i islamsk terrorisme ift. resten av muslimsk verden
«Hahaha. Hvorfor skriver du aldri om den islamske trusselen mot vanlige muslimer som ikke er «islamiserte»?»
Hmmm… Ingen dum ide. Du kan med enkelhet sette opp en blogg og gjøre det selv. Blogger og WordPress gir deg en blogg i løpet av noen få tastetrykk.
Da kan du skrive der (eller rettere sagt legge inn Wiki-linker), så slipper vi deg her hos Jan og hos meg.
Rene Kinder-egget, eller hva, mister? Noen små grep fra din side, og tre mennesker (minst…) blir fornøyde.
«så slipper vi deg her hos Jan og hos meg.»
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Uten muslimenes representasjon kan ikke dere slippe unna med å skrive hva dere vil om islam og muslimer. Anders Breivik ble radikalisert nettopp pga at nesten ingen kritiserte slike islam- og muslimhetsende blogger som han leste daglig for sin ideologiske «næring»
At jeg er uønsket her på FY og Sisteskanse, har jeg fått klar signal om fra andre meddebattenter i lang tid. Men siden jeg kan ikke besvare de millionervis av antiislamske og antimuslimske blogger i resten av verden, nøyer jeg meg kun til de norske, siden dette handler først og fremst om norske muslimer her og nå…
Når det er sagt, skal du få vite at jeg kritiserer også radikal, ekstremistisk og fundamentalistisk islam så mye jeg kan. Andre lesere som gidder å lese innleggene mine kan bekrefte dette. Jeg har ingen ensidig pro-islam og pro-muslim holdning som mange andre kommentatorene har til israel, jøder, sionisme, kristendom og vesten. Jeg følger den greske gyldne middelvei som også islam preker for å være livets rettesnor.
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Den_gyldne_middelvei
Det er akkurat derfor jeg er imot all slags ekstremisme. Om det er religiøs, sekulær eller politisk ekstremisme er de likeverdige svada i mine øyne
@Bjørn Bråthen
Jeg synes det er glimrende at «arifkarim» skriver her og på andre fora, så nordmenn kan få innsikt i en muslims schizofrene tankeverden.
For når du leser det som i «arifkarims» verden fremstår som både logisk og rasjonelt, ser du at det er en åndelig og kulturell avgrunn mellom han og oss. «Arifkarim» er helt tom for vestlig kultur, tankegods og evnen til logisk og rasjonell tenking.
Jeg refererte i et innlegg jeg skrev til en pakistansk familie i UK som var stilt for retten for vold mot datteren, fordi hun hadde en etnisk engelsk kjæreste. «Arifkarim» kom da trekkende med nordmenns behandling av tyskerjenter etter krigen («arifkarim» 1. februar 2012 at 19:27). I hans hode en helt parallell hendelse – for nordmenn en absurd sammenblanding av saker som ikke har noen som helst med hverandre å gjøre. Den relevante sammenligningen er selvsagt hvordan muslimer ville behandlet kvinner som hadde hatt seksuell omgang med fienden under en krig og okkupasjon. Den relevante sammenligningen med den muslimske familien i UK er hvordan en kristen familie hadde behandlet en datter som selv bestemte hvem hun ville være kjæreste med. Slike åpenbare selvfølgeligheter forstår ikke «arifkarim».
Hvordan mangelen på en vestlig kulturbakgrunn gir seg utslag ser vi også i dette absurde svaret til meg fra «arifkarim» («arifkarim»
4. februar 2012 at 21:23).
Jeg synes alle skal lese grundig det «arifkarim» skriver. Hans innlegg er en slående illustrasjon på hvorfor det er umulig å ha en rasjonell samtale med en muslim. Men det er ingen grunn til å svare på det meningsløse søppelet hans.
Jeg har for så vidt ingen problemer med at arifkarim skriver på min blogg og enda mindre her. Problemet er at irrasjonaliteten ikke ser ut til å ha noen grense, verken i bredde eller lengde.
Dermed blir det mer å anse som en gal manns spam. Slitsomt, men likevel akk så beskrivende for hva mange av oss mener.
Det var dumt av meg å minne ham på min blogg, for nå er han i gang igjen der også, med sine uredeligheter og patetiske forsøk på hersketeknisk diskusjon.
Jeg skal prøve å rette ham litt opp på min egen blogg, men jeg er litt i skytteltrafikk mellom heimen og Ahus i dag, og håper på det beste men frykter det verste for min mor, så jeg får se hva jeg får tid til.
Trist at din mor er syk, Bjørn. Du får hilse og ønske god bedring. Jeg er selv godt fornøyd med leger og sykepleiere på Ahus.
Det blir litt off topic dette, men jeg har blandede erfaringer. Har vært gjennom en operasjon der selv, og var strålende fornøyd med det. Har også fått annen behandling der, som jeg helst kunne vært foruten. Men, når det gjelder min mors erfaringer med Ahus, så kvalifiserer det til en førsteside i VG. Når man må vedde en tredjedel av pensjonen sin for å få en lege til å lese journalen, så er noe riv, røskende galt. I ett år har hun holdt på nå, ut og inn, og de gjør bare overfladisk behandling hver gang, og sender henne ut. Og så ryker hun inn igjen etter 2-4 uker. Det blir for mye å skrive om her, men det kommer nok en historie på Skansen etterhvert.
«Hahaha. Hvorfor skriver du aldri om den islamske trusselen mot vanlige muslimer som ikke er «islamiserte»?»
The notion that Islamic terrorists are «radical extremeist Muslims or Islamists» is a complete fraud. All Islamic terrorists are salafist, fundamentalists. Peaceful Muslims are hypocrites according to Allah, making them the radicals. From the definition of Jihad provided to us by al-Bukhari, we learn: Book of Jihad «Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim. He who tries to escape this duty, or does not fervently fulfill this obligation, dies as a hypocrite.» The next Hadith (Ishaq:394) clearly shows that the difference between «bad» (peace loving) Muslims and «good» (loyal) Muslims: «Allah said, ‘I let them get the better of you to test you. So fear Me and obey Me. If you had believed in what My Prophet brought from Me you would not have received a shock from the Meccan army. But We cause days like this so that Allah may know those who believe and may choose martyrs from among you. Allah must distinguish between believers and hypocrites so that He can honor the faithful with martyrdom…. Did you think that you would enter Paradise and receive My reward before I tested you so that I might know who is loyal? You used to wish for martyrdom before you met the enemy. You wished for death before you met it. Now that you have seen with your own eyes the death of swords…will you go back on your religion, Allah’s Book, and His Prophet as disbelievers, abandoning the fight with your enemy?’» Speaking of peaceful Muslims, the Qur’an says, 4.77 «Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold your hands from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat [religious tax]. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: ‘Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?’» The Qur’an ordains Muslims to fight, whether they like it or not. War is compulsory. And the enemy is all non-Muslims. Islam is unambiguous: good Muslims kill.
Good Muslims are loyal to the order to fight and kill all non-Muslims: Muslim:C9B1N33 «The Prophet said: ‘I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prostration prayer, and pay Zakat. If they do it, their blood and property are protected.’»
Islam’s penalty for being a peace-loving Muslim is: Qur’an 33.6 «Truly, if the Hypocrites, those in whose hearts is a disease, those who stir up sedition, the agitators in the City, do not desist, We shall urge you (O Muhammad) to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbor for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy -- a fierce slaughter -- murdered, a horrible murdering. (Such was) the practice (approved) of Allah among those who lived before. No change wilt thou find in the practice of Allah.» Muhammad also orders: Bukhari V4B52N260 «If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.»
«Peaceful Muslims are hypocrites according to Allah, making them the radicals.»
Liar! Muslims have been living in peace for so many hundred of years without being attacked by their own radical brothers. All radical islam has its roots in wahhabism, which came in late 18th century. Although several muslim rulers, kings, sultans etc attacked eachother, but they never did it under disguise of radical wahhabi islam. There goals were wordly wealth and power.
You are right. My post is filled with lies because it’s filled with the Islamic Hadith and Qur’an. Exposing Muhammad’s lies was the reason. If you don’t like its message you ought to find a real prophet and God because the ones presented in the Islamic Sira-Hadith-Sunnah-Qur’an aren’t worthy of your soul.
There is no truth in Islam. It is a lie from beginning to end. Every word of it. The Qur’an is the worst book every written by any rational standard. Allah is the Deceiver and Muhammad was the most repulsive man whoever lived -- a rapist, pedophile, slave trader, thief, mass murderer, and terrorist. I do not share these undeniable conclusions with you out of hatred, but compassion. You see, maybe you deserve better.
«If you don’t like its message you ought to find a real prophet and God because the ones presented in the Islamic Sira-Hadith-Sunnah-Qur’an aren’t worthy of your soul.»
. Islamic teachings like other religions should be seen in historical context, not as a neverending story 
This message was for those first muslims who were in war with the pagan arabs and other jewish tribes. Not for those muslims who are living i peace thousands of years later, u dumb ass
«There is no truth in Islam. It is a lie from beginning to end. Every word of it.»
So just because u hate islam, doesnt mean muslims who love islam see it as a lie. I can also say there is no truth in christianity, judaism or buddism, but my religion forbid me to do so, because all major religions are divine inspirations, especially abrahamic ones.
«The Qur’an is the worst book every written by any rational standard.»
Rational standard? U idiot, have u ever read bible in «rational» standard?
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
All religious holy books and scriptures are irrational but divinely inspired. Thats why divinity and spirit is itself irrational to modern science
«Allah is the Deceiver»
So yahweh is not the deceiver? Why would he put his chosen people in so much pain and misery by his own «WILL» for so many thousands of years?
«and Muhammad was the most repulsive man whoever lived – a rapist, pedophile, slave trader, thief, mass murderer, and terrorist.»
Depends on what u believe. Even when the westners knew nothing of islam, they branded mohammad «false» because his teachings falsify and debunk christen believes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_prophet
«I do not share these undeniable conclusions with you out of hatred, but compassion.»
I will never be a christian or a jew or leave islam just because u guys keep coming with this hate-crap against mohammad, islam and muslims 24/7. Islamic interpretations of muhammad are very different from that coming from christian, jews or atheist scholars of today. Bias against the founder of islam har never been worse. Agenda behind is that only if they are able to «convince» muslims of today how «bad» their holliest figure was, they would gladly leave islam and join their hate-compaign against mohammad. But I am really sorry to tell you. That dream of urs would never come true. More hatred against islam and mohammad would only radicalize muslims in their beliefs instead of reforming them. Antisemitism across europe for the past centuries has demonstrated clearly how attacks on jews and judaism only resulted in more strength for the jewish identity and nationality in the present form of zionism. Without real antisemitism there could not be no zionism and no Israel today
So if you really want radical muslims becoming a majority and getting back caliphate violently, you should continue on your current path of antimuslim, antiislam campaigns
You see, maybe you deserve better.
Sure it was. Muhammad and Allah were just kidding when they said: Qur’an:61:4 «Surely Allah loves those who fight in His Cause.» Qur’an:4:77 «Have you not seen those to whom it was said: Withhold from fighting, perform the prayer and pay the zakat. But when orders for fighting were issued, a party of them feared men as they ought to have feared Allah. They say: ‘Our Lord, why have You ordained fighting for us, why have You made war compulsory?’» Qur’an 4:101 “In truth the disbelievers are your enemy.” Qur’an 4:104 “Do not relent in pursuing the enemy.” Qur’an:8:7 «Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels out to the last.’» Qur’an:8:39 «So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).»
Allah has given Muslims hundreds of commands to kill. His orders were open ended -- surviving throughout time. And his intended victims were many: those who worshiped the one true God, many gods, or no gods at all. Allah especially hated Christians and Jews, ordering Muslims to fight them until they were «wiped out to the last.» This is fundamental Islam -- the very core of Muhammad’s message: Qur’an 9:71 «O Prophet, strive hard [fighting] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites (Peaceful Muslims), and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed.» Qur’an 8:59 «The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.» Qur’an 4:168 «Those who reject [Islamic] Faith, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any path except the way to Hell, to dwell therein forever. And this to Allah is easy.» Qur’an 4:114 «He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell.» Ishaq:344 «We smote them and they scattered. The impious met death. They became fuel for Hell. All who aren’t Muslims must go there. It will consume them while the Stoker [Allah] increases the heat. They had called Allah’s Apostle a liar. They claimed, ‘You are nothing but a sorcerer.’ So Allah destroyed them.»
Qur’an 33:60 «Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy-a fierce slaughter-murdered, a horrible murdering.» Bukhari:V1B11N626 «The Prophet said, ‘No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. Certainly I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.’» Bukhari:V4B52N260 «The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.’»
It’s such a lovely religion. I’m sure smart people were drawn right to it like a vulture to a dead carcass. To «love Islam,» you either have to be ignorant of who Muhammad actually was or you have to see terrorism, fighting, piracy, thievery, murder, slavery, deception, rape, incest, pedophilia, womanizing, and torture as «lovely.» I’m not, and I don’t.
I am not trying to convert anyone, nor is He. In fact, I do not believe in conversion, nor does He. I believe in choice, because He believes in choice. Choice is the opposite of submission--the opposite of Islam. I want to free Muslims from the deception and destruction of Islam. What they choose to believe in once they are free is up to them.
You will find this «hate-crap» about Muhammad in the Sira. You think that I spread hatred and misleading the people, actually, you are doing that. I’m doing just the opposite. Why don’t you read the Sira -- the only book written about Muhammad within 200 years of his death? It is more important to the understanding and practice of Islam than the Gospels are to Christianity. And yet you haven’t a clue as to what it says because you think I’m spreading hatred rather than exposing hatred. You think I’m being misleading by exposing lies. You think I’m adding to the confusion when in fact I am removing it.
I hate Islam to be sure. I hate Islam because of what it has done to you, to all Muslims, and to the enemies of Islam. More than 270 million people have been murdered because Muslims followed Muhammad’s example and Allah’s orders. All Islamic terrorists are fundamentalist, or Salafi Muslims. Attacking me doesn’t change these facts. I do want Islam banished, just as I’d like to see Nazism and Communism banished, because each destroys everything it touches and infects. The world would be a better place without these horrible doctrines.
«Allah has given Muslims hundreds of commands to kill. His orders were open ended – surviving throughout time.»
There are many similar orders in the christian and jewish bible or teachings, doesnt mean they are for all the jews and christians and are valid all the time
en.wikipedia.org/w…e_Bible_and_violence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_violence
skepticsannotatedb…om/cruelty/long.html
«It’s such a lovely religion.»
Those who feel love in their religion surely call it lovely. Samme goes for Christian, Jews, Hindus etc.
«Choice is the opposite of submission–the opposite of Islam.»
Ofcourse u are free to choose when converting to islam. U can also leave islam if u wish. Many notable examples of muslims leaving islam exist in history:
en.wikipedia.org/w…istianity#From_Islam
en.wikipedia.org/w…o_Judaism#From_Islam
en.wikipedia.org/w…ts_to_Hinduism#Islam
«I want to free Muslims from the deception and destruction of Islam. What they choose to believe in once they are free is up to them.»
Thanks. But most muslims are very well aware of their own religion.
«Why don’t you read the Sira – the only book written about Muhammad within 200 years of his death?»
No, there were many other sira books which got lost. Surviving sira books give different accounts of muhammad, all depending on jewish, christian and muslim sources used. Most violant accounts of muhammad are reported by sons of jewish converts to islam, the so called «Israiliyats»
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isra%27iliyat
«I hate Islam to be sure. I hate Islam because of what it has done to you, to all Muslims, and to the enemies of Islam.»
Islam hasn’t done anything to me at all. I am perfectly safe from it, no worries…
«More than 270 million people have been murdered because Muslims followed Muhammad’s example and Allah’s orders.»
How can u be so sure they were murdered by «following» the orders? What if they were not following but disobeying? Tens of millions of people died in ww1 and ww2 alone, greatest millitary conflicts in human history all originating from «christian» countries
«All Islamic terrorists are fundamentalist, or Salafi Muslims.»
No, there are also wahhabis and other millitant factions involved. Suicide is highly forbidden in Islam, and there is no account of suicide as warfare in traditional islamic sources. Therefore todays islamic millitant suicide attacks are not a part of old days revival of jihad, but something completely new twisted ideology of postmodern 80s era
«I do want Islam banished, just as I’d like to see Nazism and Communism banished, because each destroys everything it touches and infects.»
Raw Capitalism also destroys everything. Every uncontrolled ideolgy means destruction.
«The world would be a better place without these horrible doctrines.»
World would be better place if there was no ideology leading the world
Det går sakte, men framover.
Hva med å svare på dine radikale teorier om plantene som produsere co2
Plantene som produserer CO2? Hvor har du det fra?
Hvis du sikter til det innlegget der jeg skrev «alle» organismer produserer CO2, så har jeg svart under der igjen at jeg spesifiserte ikke godt nok. Organismer inneholder alle biologiske arter, blant annet plante- og dyrearter. Det er kun dyrearter som produserer CO2 mens plantearter produserer oksygen. Fornøyd nå?
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisme
FBI tatt for ulovlig spionering på amerikanske muslimer:
«A secret police document shows that the New York City Police Department increased surveillance of thousands of mosques and Muslims.
The revelation contradicts the department’s claim that it does not conduct religious profiling.
Titled U.S. Iran Conflict: The Threat to New York City, the document, offers a rare glimpse into the thinking of NYPD intelligence officers and how, when looking for potential threats, they focused their spying efforts on mosques and Muslims.
‘If you attack Cuba, are all the Catholics going to attack here? This is called guilt by association,’ Sadiq, a dentist, said after seeing his mosque in the NYPD document. ‘Just because we are the same religion doesn’t mean we’re going to stand up and harm the United States. It’s really absurd.’»
dailymail.co.uk/ne…ques-terrorists.html
Når skal de vestlig slutte å leke kollektivbeskyldnings lekene sine. Leken er over siden 1945
Iran: Vil hjelpe alle som angriper Israel
Fra nå av vil vi støtte og hjelpe alle land og grupper som konfronterer det sionistiske regimet, sa Khamenei. vg.no/nyheter/uten…l.php?artid=10077761
Du glemte å ta med at det er en reaksjon og en ikke en aksjon fra IRANs side
«Dermed kommer Iran med et kraftfullt svar på de israelske truslene om et militært angrep på de iranske atomanleggene. Iran nekter for å ha et atomvåpenprogram, men Israel har gjort det helt klart at de ikke stoler på forsikringene til president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.»
vg.no/nyheter/uten…l.php?artid=10077761
Det er det sionistiske regimet i Israel som er en trussel mot islamske regimet i Iran og ikke omvendt. Iran har aldri klaget på hvorfor Israel har så dritmange aktive atombombe-arsenal
en.wikipedia.org/w…r_weapons_and_Israel
Selv om disse bombene er en evig og vedvarende «trussel» mot naboland som ikke har slike våpen
Å du hellige Jul, du er dum du Arifkarim.
Ei meget klok og vakker dame som det er vel verdt å lytte til!